Saturday, December 28, 2013

Gin Carrera M & S

Gin Carrera 

I flew a bit the M size but will wait for the S size to get a larger idea for a more accurate  test report. 

Gin Carrera S
92 all up on the S size with a Woody Valley GTO harness, here i am flying the Carrera in a relatively weak to turbulent conditions sometimes especially on the higher layers, with 10 km/h north wind, making it interesting for discovering the ability of the flown gliders.

Having flown the M size at 98 all up, i found the S size at 92 to have a more direct handling of course ! And a bit more alive.

But the glider was completely pressurized and it wasn’t susceptible to deflation whatsoever like the lesser loaded M size i flew earlier.

Describing the handling is light on the first part with a 50 % more tension after 40 cm of travel. It is lighter than the Delta 2 SM with same loadings. And i could also confirm the same agility in thermals.

Both gliders are efficient in climb with no diving in turns.
I only could sense a slight float ability for the D2 in very weak thermals -0.2m/s …But the Carrera felt more floater in headwind glides or on its ability in searching forward for thermals !
Strangely the Atlas had that superb ability as if this technology is indeed present on those new generation Gin gliders.

If you ask me which is the most comfortable in overall conditions ?
The Delta 2 feels more compact above your head, but when the conditions get rough, sharp surges must be controlled to prevent the collapses.
On the same conditions the Carrera moves even in small conditions letting its pilot immediately presume that it is more alive. Actually i found that even in strong and bumpy conditions the Carrera doesn’t have that sharp quick reaction in turbulence like the D2. It just roll a bit more, but in a smoother way, letting its pilot feel that it is still above his head giving him that increased passive safety feeling.
Both are pitch stable, and the roll is more pronounced on the Carrera.

The movements are different from a sharp reaction like the Trango XC2, and closer to a Cayenne 4 with more ease and prompt brake control.

The glide is similar or slightly better in lift lines than a Trango XC2 or a D2 with the ability to cut through the valley breeze even better than some 2012 ‘C’ gliders …Letting the Carrera free to surf the air without too much braking is the way to go.

However the top speed is only 11 km over trim speed, even with the pulleys over-passing.
In this configuration, the Carrera seems solid and usable with the first part of the travel which is light but the second part of the travel is a bit hard.
Pulling a bit on the A’s in full accelerator mode showed that an average pull is needed to get the leading edge lowered a bit but without any sign of collapse.
Gin may have reduced the top speed for certification purposes.

Big ears with the outer A’s are easy to pull .The opening is required by the pilot.
Big ears with B3 are easy doable and practically has the same sink rate as the outer A’s but the opening is quite faster.

360’s get you down quickly .No real surges in getting out. Wing overs on the S are nice to make and could be very high.

Conclusion :
Over the years, gliders has evolved in design and technology. Marketing also has caught up.
Seeing and flying many high-end B’s, it seems logical that this leap in marketing strategy will eventually be present.
The Carrera is for me a superb glider that has everything a good intermediate pilot could wish for, except for the top speed…

The ‘psychological B rating effect’ could have a positive impact on the ‘C’ category pilots flying the Carrera.
There’s no ‘B’ available yet that has the same into wind performance or the same roll understanding…
One season on a high-end B, is needed before jumping on a Carrera.

Happy landings,

Small clarification: 
The Carrera got a B certification. What does that mean ? ...Only that it has very good reactions and behavior in a simulated collapse in calm air .
This is an excellent glider that must be respected as it is.
A pilot with enough experience and + 75 hours / year , can (extract) safely its performances.
The others with less experience will be busy keeping it controlled overhead in strong conditions and won't eventually use it's performance !

That's why there's a lesser AR glider and manufacturer guidance that can allow many pilots to go for the Atlas which in my humble opinion is one of the best well balanced B glider of the moment ! as it has enough performance to satisfy nearly all Low B and some high B pilots.

Difference in comfort the air between Carrera M, Mentor 3 S, Chili 3 S, goes in favor of the M3, then the Carrera and Chili 3 are comfortably equal in punchy air with better authority control for the Carrera to place it exactly by the brakes. (must be loaded at 98 - 100 on the M )
To compare a Carrera M to a Mentor 3 or a Chili 3 would be unfair ,because the Carrera will show it's potential in head wind glides and move forward like high aspect ratio gliders do...

The Carrera is intended for experienced pilots who needs the psychological safety of a B with the superb performance of a C glider.


  1. nice review ;-) happy new year, happy landings

  2. Hi Ziad

    waiting for putting Carrera and Delta 2 into the EN-C comparison:-)
    In the meantime I would like to ask which of the two would you pick up considering total weight of 97Kgs. Given the weight the choice is between Carrera M and Delta SM.

    Or would you rather consider Alpina 2 SM with reduction of weight and going for upper limit 95Kgs?

    1. HI Peter,
      Thanks! The Carrera M is good enough at 99-100...Or the Alpina 2 is superb at 95 ! It is for you to choose... :-)

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  3. hello compare u turn blackligt and gin carrera please ?

    1. Blacklight has a slight better climb ,but the glide into wind goes in favor of the Carrera. Both require the same pilot skill ...The BL must be always loaded on top, and the Carrera must be loaded 5 kg less than top . Handling of Blacklight is more linear for coring .But Carrera is efficient in cutting through...

  4. Good day Ziad
    When will you test flight the Carrera plus?

  5. Good day Ziad

    I know you are busy testing the Carrera plus.
    Can you please give us some feedback as to how different the carrera is to the carrera plus. Is the Carrera plus easier to fly?

  6. Hello Ziad, as with the others I'm very interested to hear your thoughts on carrera vs carrera+. Ty for the excellent resource you privide!!

    1. Hi Chris,
      Surprisingly it's a different glider...theC+ is more comfortable to fly .otherwise has less trim speed but better glide especially at bar.the climb rate of the C+ is unbeatable.
      You have to load the C+ at top weight in order to get the full potential.


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